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Posted on 05-15-14 9:00 PM     Reply [Subscribe]
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तर्के, धर्के र फर्के तीन कैदी रहेछन. फर्के चै अन्धो रैछ.

जेलमा नया jailor आएछ, खुब puzzle खेल्न पर्ने. तिनै जनालाई बोलाएछ.

"तिमि तिनै जनालाई १० वर्ष को सजाय रहेछ. मा एउटा प्रश्न सोध्छु. येदि तेस्को सहि उत्तर दियो भने त्यो मान्छेलै मा छाडी दिन्छु. य़ेदि गलत उत्तर दियो भने, अर्को १० बर्ष ठुनिदिन्छु. तर पास भनिस भने १० बर्ष सजाए जस्ताको तेस्तै हुनेछ."

"के प्रश्न हो सर?" तिनै जनाले सोधेछन.

Jailor : "केटा हो, यिनी हरुको आँखामा पट्टि बाध!!"
सेना हरुले तर्के र धर्के को आँखामा पट्टि बाधेछन.

Jailor : "ल ध्यानले सुन!! मेरो हात मा २ वटा ढाका टोपी छ र ३ वटा भादगाउले टोपी छ. Guard! हरेकको टाउकोमा एउटा टोपी लगाइदे!!"
Guard : "कुन टोपी sir ?"
Jailor : "Randomly छानेर एउटा लगाइदेओ!!"

हरेकको टाउको मा कि त भाद्गौले कि त ढाका टोपी लागेछ.
Jailor : "अब यिनी हरुको पट्टि फुकलिदेओ"

सबैको आँखाको पट्टि खुलेछ. एकले अर्काको टाउकोमा के छ हेर्न सक्ने, तर आफ्नो टाउकोको टोपी चै हेर्न नमिल्ने. अरु केहि बोल्न पनि नपाउने.

Jailor : "ल तर्के! तेरो टाउको मा कुन टोपी छ? Guess गर्छस कि पास?"

तर्के: "पास."

Jailor : "थुइक्क मोरा. ल ठिकै छ, त भन धर्के! Guess कि पास?"

धर्के: "पास."

फर्के चै भाठो रहेछ. तेस्ले के जवाफ दियो होला?

If you've heard this puzzle, please don't ruin it for others. Just acknowledge but don't give out the answer....yet.

 
Posted on 05-19-14 12:56 PM     [Snapshot: 1750]     Reply [Subscribe]
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Okay, I have another method for the first puzzle:

Let's assume that F was wearing Dhaka topi.

The only possible scenario in which first person T would be confused in this assumption is if he saw Bhad gaule in D. Since there are only two Dhaka topis.

Second person D knows this so if this was the case, he would be able to answer quite easily. Hence for the second person D to be confused F must be wearing Bhad gaule topi, otherwise there would be no confusion at all.
 
Posted on 05-19-14 1:22 PM     [Snapshot: 1779]     Reply [Subscribe]
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Krishna
>The only possible scenario in which first person T would be confused in this assumption is if he saw Bhad gaule in D.
Nope. Say, he saw Dhaka in D and Bhad Gaunle in F. He can still be confused.
 
Posted on 05-19-14 7:52 PM     [Snapshot: 1889]     Reply [Subscribe]
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 New Logic Puzzle Time!!

This is a fictitious story, any resemblance to the name of Sajha characters should be taken as a blatant infringement of privacy.

Some vital stats:
Ambrosia (A) : Twenty something petite girl. 5'2" - 80 lbs.
Malvasia (M): Same age group. 5'4"-100 lbs.
Behoove_me (B): Early thirties hunk. 5'10" - 180 lbs
Tanki (T): Late twenties. 5'8" - 160 lbs.


यी चार साथि हरु एक ठाउ मा कामको लागि गएछन. बोस चै तालु पर्या गुज्जु रहेछ. "केम छो?" भनि हालेछ.
"के भन्छ यो तालु?" Ambrosia ले प्वाक्क भनिछ.
"बस मजामा. But we are not Indian. We are Nepali." Tanki ले घण्टा घोत्दा घोत्दा गुज्जु राम्ररी सिक्य रहेछ.
"अरे नेपाल-इंडिया एक हि देश है. लौ सुन, मलाई पनि नेपाली आउँछ." भनेर निच्च हासेछा.
"Disgusting " Malvasia ले मन मनै भनिछ. जति गालि गरेनी, यो इन्डियन को काम त गर्ने पर्यो.

"त आज मा तिमि हरुको टेस्ट लिन्छु." गुज्जुले भन्यो,"यो बिल्डिंगको साइडमा अर्को लामो बिल्डिंग छ. त्यहाँ जावो.त्यसपछि ground फ़्लॊरमा एउटा लिफ्ट छ."

"लिफ्ट माने?" Ambrosia ले सोधी.

"गजब छ. एस्तो जवान केटिलाइ लिफ्ट माने थाहा छैन. आलुवेटर क्या! हो त्यो आलुवेटरमा जानु अनि सबै जान top फ़्लॊर मा ओर्लिनु. तर! त्यो लिफ्टमा एक चोटीमा २ जना मात्र जान मिल्छ, अनि त्यो लिफ्ट भित्र बाट मात्र operate गर्न मिल्छ."
"कस्तो एलेवेतोर हो." Behoove छक्क पर्यो.

"अर्को कुरा." गुज्जुले थप्यो. "त्यो लिफ्ट ले maximum वजन अनुसार पैसा charge गर्छ. तिमि हरु माथि जादा, हरेक ट्रीपमा  max weight जसको हुन्छ त्यसको वजन टोटल मा add हुन्छ. सबैजना माथि जानु सम्म ५०० पौन्ड्स भन्दा बढी टोटल भयो भने, प्रतेक पौन्ड्सको $१ dollar लाग्छ. अब येसरी तिमीहरु माथि जाउ कि तिमीहरुलाई कम से कम पैसा लागोस."

सबै जना हेर्य हेर्यै भए. तर काम त गर्नु पर्यो. ४ जना कसरि माथि गए होलान, जसले गर्दा minimum fine तिर्नु पर्यो. Remember, everytime only two people can go up and one person has to come down to get another person up and leave him/her up top. If Ambrosia and Malvasia go together, the trip weight will be 100 lbs and will be added to the total. Then say Ambrosia comes down to get another person, that trip weight will be 80 lbs and again added to total to make 180 so far, and so on.

Calculate the minimum fine. How?
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Posted on 05-19-14 8:22 PM     [Snapshot: 1910]     Reply [Subscribe]
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Hey Kiddo. I tried to get all four friends at top and the total added up to 700 pounds(i guess $200 fine assuming first 500 pound is free) when everybody was on top. If this is correct answer then i will explain how, if not then i ll try to mimimize the fine.
 
Posted on 05-19-14 8:33 PM     [Snapshot: 1926]     Reply [Subscribe]
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अनि त्यो तर्के , धर्के र फर्के को पज़ल मा फर्के अन्धो नहुने हो भने solve गर्न सजिलो हुन्छ भनेर
किद्दो ले भन्या थ्य्यो. तर फर्के अन्धो भए नि नाभायेनी केहि फरक पर्छ र kiddo ब्रो ?
 
Posted on 05-19-14 8:56 PM     [Snapshot: 1934]     Reply [Subscribe]
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Javier, go over the problem again. I missed our one critical point last time.

As for the second question, the logic just gets easier if Farke wasn't blind; but the steps to logic is not reduced. Try it and let me know if you are stuck on any part.
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Posted on 05-19-14 9:10 PM     [Snapshot: 1940]     Reply [Subscribe]
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2A+ each once = 680
fine 180
no charge for going down?


 
Posted on 05-19-14 9:21 PM     [Snapshot: 1978]     Reply [Subscribe]
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Javier and Bibaas. My bad. Please redo your calculations again!! I have revised the puzzle to include one critical point I missed out.
 
Posted on 05-19-14 9:21 PM     [Snapshot: 1979]     Reply [Subscribe]
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पैला Amby र Malvi माथि गयो(180) . Malvi माथि अनि बस्यो Amby तल आयो. तेस्पची बेहूवे र टंकी (340)माथि गयो अनि मालवी तल आयो. लास्ट मा Amby र Malvi(180) माथि गयो .
total 700 pounds


 
Posted on 05-19-14 9:23 PM     [Snapshot: 1983]     Reply [Subscribe]
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Javier, even with the wrong info there, your logic isn't complete. Every time somebody comes down, his/her weight should be added to the total as it counts as a trip. Anyway, go over the question again.
 
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बिचमा आएर नया नया नियम थप्न नपाई. यहाँ मान्छे को एक घण्टा लोस भो . chyatipurti chiayo .
 
Posted on 05-19-14 9:34 PM     [Snapshot: 1995]     Reply [Subscribe]
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same logic. 100(A and M up)+80(A down)+180(B and T up)+100(M down)+100(A and M up) = 560
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Posted on 05-19-14 9:39 PM     [Snapshot: 2002]     Reply [Subscribe]
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त्यो लिफ्ट भित्र बाट मात्र operate गर्न मिल्छ ?????

Is this a trick question?? Sabai jana suruma ta bhahirai huncha. Suruam lift kasari kholya ta ??
 
Posted on 05-20-14 8:09 AM     [Snapshot: 2080]     Reply [Subscribe]
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SO the lift opens automatically on top floor and ground floor. To close it and get it moving, you have to be inside the lift. No tricks.

So, Mr. Javier, you just ruined a puzzle. This wasn't a hard puzzle, just a simple trick.Most people answer it by sending Ambroisa (the lightest) down every single time. Nobody even got a chance to do that and you solved the puzzle.

Next time, maybe a little harder puzzle for you MR.
 
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Krishna
>The only possible scenario in which first person T would be confused in this assumption is if he saw Bhad gaule in D.
Nope. Say, he saw Dhaka in D and Bhad Gaunle in F. He can still be confused.

Kiddo,
I don't think you are getting my assumption. I am starting with an assumption from the outset. "Let's assume" F (third person) was wearing Dhaka topi than the only possible situation in which first person would be confused is if second person was wearing Bhad gaule. Because there is only two dhaka topis available in the pool. Second person knows this, so if he had seen dhaka topi (as per my assumption) in F means he knows he is wearing a bhad gaule, as per the confusion of first person. Therefore, F is wearing a bhad gaule topi. Does that make sense?
 
Posted on 05-20-14 9:55 AM     [Snapshot: 2128]     Reply [Subscribe]
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Krishna

Problems with assumption is, well they are assumptions. To solve a puzzle, you have to view every possible scenarios, that means you have to assume every single possibility. You assumed one possibility and that's where I saw the flaw.

You're right, with the onset assumption, your logic makes sense (I totally overlooked the critical assumption you put). But, I hope you understand that one single assumption leads to nothing. I could easily assume, two guys were wearing D and solve the problem right there.
 
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यो त हाम्ले दिमाग नै नलगाई त्यो बेलामा जम्मा ६० रूप्पे फाईन तिरेको हो नि | आफैं सोल्भ भाथ्यो |
त्यो बेलामा के के भाथ्यो , फर्स्ट ह्याण्ड एक्सपेरिइन्स छ नि हो | यस्तो भाथ्यो |

बिहोभी : सबै भन्दा ठुलो म छु, म पहिले जानु पर्छ | एक चोटी माथि पुग्छु, चट्ट ला'र बस्छु | फेरी फर्किएर आउन नै पर्दैन | पैसा नि कम लाग्छ |
मैले भने : हो हो | सहि कुरा हो |
एम्ब्रोसिया : मुला केटा हरु, के हो ? लेडिज फर्स्ट भन्नि था छैन? खै कर्टेसी भन्नि कुरा नै छैन ? यस्तो पाराले त केटाहरु जिन्दगि भरी भर्जिन पर्लाउ है |
माल्भासिया : ल ल हामी पहिले जान्चम |
यती भनेर माल्भासिया र एम्ब्रोसिया त गइ हाले है | हामी त ट्वाँ | (यो बेला मा माल्भासिया १०० किलो जोडियो |)

माथी पुगेर बस्न खोजेचन | तेस्का बाजे लिफ्ट किन हिड्थ्यो र आफै ? फेरी एक जना त आउनै पर्यो | एम्ब्रोसिया खुब महारानी पल्टेर भनि : मेरो ड्याडीले भनिसेको, मैले धेरै आराम गर्नुपर्छ | त्यसैले म बस्छु , तँ जा न बाई |
मन नलागी नलागी माल्भासिया तल आई | अहिले उसको १०० किलो जोडियो र टोटल २०० भयो |
बीहोभी र म कुरेको कुरेई थियेम | बल्ल बल्ल तल आथी मल्भासिया | कुन बेला लिफ्ट चडम भाथ्यो, हाम्ले तेस्लाई लिफ्ट बाट निकाल्दियेम अनि हामी लिफ्ट चढेम | त्यो बेलाको लिफ्ट राईड क्या थियो | we had the bro-time of our life. यो बेला मा मोटे बिहोभी को १८० जोडियो र टोटल ३८० भयो | माथी पुगेर हेरेको त एम्ब्रोसिया महारानी पल्टेर बसिरखेकी | मेरो त पारो तातिहल्यो है | अनि बिहोभी र मैले भएर घोक्रे ठ्याक ला'र लिफ्ट मा हालेर तल पठाईदिएम | अहिले चाहि उसको ८० किलो जोडियो र टोटल ४६० भयो |एकै छिन् पछी , दुई जना लुखुर लुखुर माथि आए | अहिले चाहिं मल्भासियाको १०० किलो जोडियो र टोटल ५६० भयो | तेसो गर्दा हाम्रो टोटल जम्मा ५६० भा'रैछ |
अनि त्यो तक्लु धोती साहुलाई ६० रूप्पे दिन पर्या नि, क्या बोर के |

 
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javier ले solve गर्या प्रोब्लेम्लाई मज्जा तरिकाले solve गरेकोमा तंकिलाई +५ points . गरि खा.
त्यो ब्रो-time मा चै के के गरेकोहो नभन्नु अरु लाइ, लाज हुन्छ.
 
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यसलाई खैरे हरुले "आईन्सटाईन रिडल " भन्ने गर्छन | यसको उत्तर इन्टरनेट भरी छ्याप-छ्यापी पाईन्छ | त्यसैले चोरेर सल्भ गर्ने भए एसको कुनै औचित्य रहन्न | आफैंले दिमाग लगाउनुहोस | र यसको उत्तर थाह भए पनि, त्यो उत्तर सम्म कसरी पुगियो भन्ने कुरा मा नै यो पजल्को आत्मा रहेको छ | ल सुरु गरें है त | कापी र कलम नभए सम्म यो सल्भ हुँदैन है |

एउटा गाउँ थियो | तेस्मा पांच वोटा घरहरु थिए | पांच वोटा घरहरुको पांच थरी रंग हरु थिए | (कसैको कसै संग मिल्थेन) | ति पांच घरहरुमा पांच भिन्ना भिन्नै देशका मान्छेहरु बस्थे | ति मान्छेहरुले भिन्नभिन्नै ड्रिंक पिउन्थे| भिन्ना भिन्नै चुरोट खान्थे र भिन्ना भिन्नै जनावरहरु "पेट" राख्थे | कसैको कसैसंग केहि मिल्थेन |

प्रश्न : माछा कसले पालेको थियो ?

प्रश्न सल्भ गर्न प्रयोग गर्नुपर्ने इन्फर्मेसन हरु :
१) ब्रिटिश रातो रंगको घरमा बस्छ |
२) स्विडइशले कुकुर पालेको छ |
३) डेनिशले चिया पिउँछ |
४) हरियो घर सेतोघरको देब्रे पट्टि छ, र जोडिएको छ |
५) हरियो घरमा बस्नेले कफी खान्छ |
६) "पलमल " चुरोट खानेले चरापालेको छ |
७) पहेंलो घरमा बस्नेले चाहिं "डनहिल " चुरोट खान्छ |
८) पांचओटा मध्यको बिचको घरमा बस्नेले दुध खान्छ |
९) नोर्वेको मान्छे पहिलो घरमा बस्छ |
१० ) "ब्लेंड" चुरोट खानेमान्छे बिरालुपालेको मान्छे को आडैमा बस्छ ( दाहिने कि देब्रे प्रश्नमा छुट्याईएको छैन ) |
११) घोडा पाल्ने मान्छे "डनहिल" चुरोट खानेको आडैमा बस्छ ( दाहिने कि देब्रे प्रश्नमा छुट्याईएको छैन ) |
१२) "ब्लु मास्टर " चुरोट खाने मान्छेले चाहिं बियर खानि रैछ |
१३) जर्मनले चाहिं "प्रिन्स" चुरोट खान्छ |
१४) नोर्वेको मान्छे निलो घरको आडैमा बस्छ ( दाहिने कि देब्रे प्रश्नमा छुट्याईएको छैन ) |
१५) त्यो ब्लेन्ड चुरोट खाने मान्छे चाहिं पानि खाने मान्छेको साईडमा बस्छ |


 
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"I could easily assume, two guys were wearing D and solve the problem right there. "

Kiddo, first of all, I think you are better than this.

Assumptions are essential part of solving lots of brain teasers. There is absolutely nothing wrong with assuming things. However, you have to be able to back it up. You cannot just willy-nilly say you could easily solve problems by assuming things. Try it and then give me the logic that makes sense and then I will tell you whether I think your logic is sound and therefore correct.

I don't want to keep harping here about assumptions, but I think you have to read up on it and see how tied up it is to fundamental logic and mathematics in general.

You could also use it in this sense that, if someone here says Kiddo is a guy and says if Kiddo was a girl....and gives solid reasoning to back it up. I would find it hard to believe that this kind of logical reasoning through assumptions is anything but wrong.
 



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